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Let me show you what I mean with an example of a conversation that’s going well.
Our friend Frazzled Frank, the product rep, sits down with an architect named Bobby Sue.
She’s a Project Manager and says they keep having to reject building envelope submittals. Frank asks how many hours each bad cycle takes. She pauses and says, “On a big project, I’d say 3 or 4 hours per round… So about 10 hours for each bad one.”
Then Frank asks how many submittals go through several rounds on a typical project. She stops to think, and you can almost hear her counting. “…Most of them, really. Maybe fifteen?”
Frank adds it up out loud. “Wow… so about 150 hours, right?”
Then Bobby Sue finally says what Frank was hoping for: “Damn! When you put it that way, that’s a full month of somebody’s time.”
Frank has done it.
He’s nailed the agitate step of the PAS Framework. Bobby Sue took a problem she barely noticed and turned it into something important to her, saying it out loud. Frank can’t top that now.
But of course, that’s not the end of it…
We all know how Frank can get, and he just can’t help but ask one more question.
Frank asks, "And what does your managing principal think about a month of unbilled time?”
You can probably guess what happens next.
A moment ago, Bobby Sue was looking at her own problem with Frank. Now, she’s on her heels defending her team and her firm to someone she barely knows. The tone changed because Frank didn’t stop when he should have.
Neil Rackham and his team at Huthwaite spent 12 years analyzing 35,000 sales calls to find out what makes top performers stand out in complex sales.
Anyway! Neil Rackham’s book, SPIN Selling, is famous for showing that the best salespeople ask more implication (that’s the “I” in SPIN) questions. These are the questions that help people see the real business cost behind a small problem.
But there’s a warning in his book that most people miss.
Rackham was pretty clear: implication questions are supposed to be negative. But if you ask too many, buyers just feel worse about their situation. His answer is need-payoff questions. These are the opposite… They focus on the solution, not the problem. First, help the buyer see the problem, then show the value of fixing it.
That’s the “stop condition” from his 1988 book. But most sales training today only covers the first part.
Here’s the good news: architects will let you know when you’ve reached that point. The tricky part is that our signals often sound like encouragement, so reps think they should keep going.
Let me help you with that…
If you notice any of those signals, you’re done agitating. Not “almost done,” but completely done.
Next, ask one of Rackham’s mirror image questions. For example: “What would help fix this?” “What would you like to see as a better outcome?” “What could your team do if they had those hours back?”
Now, the conversation shifts to the future, not lingering on the problem.
Notice what happens when you make that pivot. The architect has already admitted the problem is real and costly. Now, they’re explaining the value of solving it in their own words, before you’ve even started your presentation.
The architect made the case themselves. You just guided the conversation at the right moment.
Here’s a simple way to remember this lesson:
A good doctor shows you the X-ray, points out the issue, and lets you look at it. She doesn’t repeat herself or ask how you feel about letting it get this far. She trusts the information to speak for itself.
A prosecutor, on the other hand, keeps pushing until you admit something. The questions might sound similar, but the prosecutor needs a reaction, and everyone feels that pressure.
I’ll tell you what happens when architects feel that pressure.
We don’t argue. We get formal, end the meeting politely, and remember you as one of those reps who want our problems to sound worse than they are. You won’t hear about it. You just won’t get another call.
The tricky part is that both the doctor and the prosecutor usually ask the same first four questions. The real difference comes with the fifth question.
So here’s a simple assignment: In your next discovery call, listen for any of those 4 signals. When you hear one, pause for 3 full seconds. Then ask about the future instead of focusing on the problem.
3 seconds can feel like a long pause. It might seem like you’re leaving something on the table.
But you’re not missing anything. You’re letting the architect take ownership, and that’s when change happens.
And, once again, I’ve put all this into a basic cheatsheet: the 4 signals and what they sound like in meetings, the 3-second rule, the pivot question to ask next, and the 4 ways reps talk themselves into asking “just one more.”
If you want it, just reply with the word ENOUGH, and I’ll send it over.
That's it for this week!
Here's to building more than just buildings, and see you next week,
Neil "Know-when-to-stop" Sutton
Architect | Speaker | The Product Rep Coach
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